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		<title>By: Tiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 06:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

Good analysis. However I feel you left out one aspect that is a career change which people seek from an MBA. I for one would like to work in management consulting or investment banking and do see myself breaking through into a top firm without a leading MBA.</description>
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<p>Good analysis. However I feel you left out one aspect that is a career change which people seek from an MBA. I for one would like to work in management consulting or investment banking and do see myself breaking through into a top firm without a leading MBA.</p>
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		<title>By: scottiegazelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>scottiegazelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that most of the people pro-grad school are still enrolled IN grad school. Which means they haven&#039;t seen the paycheck from the other side, just have the numbers.

I looked at getting my doctorate, but it was in science, not business, and all of the programs I looked at were fully funded if you had an assistantship...and most promised that all enrolled grad students would, if under x yrs, etc. Plus stipend. 

I found something else that worked better for me - I&#039;m several years post bach, and have four kids - but if I was childless I&#039;d have gone back in a heartbeat, and if I&#039;d realized that most doctorates in my field were fully funded, I&#039;d have considered it after graduation.

Of course, the other thing my research turned up is a glut of postdocs...plenty of people with the degree but making the minimum in their field because, well, the positions were filled. I&#039;ve seen other friends with masters in more liberal fields struggling to find work, as well, despite respectable grad schools.

All of that said: my husband has a high school degree and makes six figures in a construction position. Prior to that, he worked in an office in telecommunications, and made 60k. This was in his mid-to-late 20s, mind you.

So yeah. I&#039;m of a mind that most people just assume &quot;degree=good&quot; and don&#039;t think about what they&#039;re given up - though I&#039;m not totally certain of your numbers. At the very least, people should stop and analyze things.

Also - randomly - have had several friends who got their MBA while  working full time. Was tough but doable, even with families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that most of the people pro-grad school are still enrolled IN grad school. Which means they haven&#8217;t seen the paycheck from the other side, just have the numbers.</p>
<p>I looked at getting my doctorate, but it was in science, not business, and all of the programs I looked at were fully funded if you had an assistantship&#8230;and most promised that all enrolled grad students would, if under x yrs, etc. Plus stipend. </p>
<p>I found something else that worked better for me &#8211; I&#8217;m several years post bach, and have four kids &#8211; but if I was childless I&#8217;d have gone back in a heartbeat, and if I&#8217;d realized that most doctorates in my field were fully funded, I&#8217;d have considered it after graduation.</p>
<p>Of course, the other thing my research turned up is a glut of postdocs&#8230;plenty of people with the degree but making the minimum in their field because, well, the positions were filled. I&#8217;ve seen other friends with masters in more liberal fields struggling to find work, as well, despite respectable grad schools.</p>
<p>All of that said: my husband has a high school degree and makes six figures in a construction position. Prior to that, he worked in an office in telecommunications, and made 60k. This was in his mid-to-late 20s, mind you.</p>
<p>So yeah. I&#8217;m of a mind that most people just assume &#8220;degree=good&#8221; and don&#8217;t think about what they&#8217;re given up &#8211; though I&#8217;m not totally certain of your numbers. At the very least, people should stop and analyze things.</p>
<p>Also &#8211; randomly &#8211; have had several friends who got their MBA while  working full time. Was tough but doable, even with families.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 13:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The educational system (public or private) is a business like any other. Foremost, they are there to make money. As with many industries, you can pay as much or as little as you want for a product or service. It is the value of that product or service that you should examine. I cannot dispute your numbers that detail the cost, but that is a bit one-sided. The value (personal satisfaction, a new skill, opportunities) can only be assessed by each individual. 

I do not have a graduate degree yet, but I am getting close to deciding on it and this is the approach I am taking. I will be going part time because, to your point, experience counts for a lot. However, I am evaluating the value of the programs along with the costs.

Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The educational system (public or private) is a business like any other. Foremost, they are there to make money. As with many industries, you can pay as much or as little as you want for a product or service. It is the value of that product or service that you should examine. I cannot dispute your numbers that detail the cost, but that is a bit one-sided. The value (personal satisfaction, a new skill, opportunities) can only be assessed by each individual. </p>
<p>I do not have a graduate degree yet, but I am getting close to deciding on it and this is the approach I am taking. I will be going part time because, to your point, experience counts for a lot. However, I am evaluating the value of the programs along with the costs.</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 14:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if you had worked instead of going to business school, you might have learned that you do not have to condescend someone while pointing out some flaws in their argument.  If you major in undergrad in something that doesn&#039;t translate well to the real world, then yes, perhaps graduate school is good for you to pick up some skills to make you more attractive to hiring companies, however, you could have also done that while in undergrad and conveyed your knowledge during interviews.  I read this article a few months back, has some good insight on grad school. http://www.openforum.com/articles/dont-hire-people-who-went-to-grad-school</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if you had worked instead of going to business school, you might have learned that you do not have to condescend someone while pointing out some flaws in their argument.  If you major in undergrad in something that doesn&#8217;t translate well to the real world, then yes, perhaps graduate school is good for you to pick up some skills to make you more attractive to hiring companies, however, you could have also done that while in undergrad and conveyed your knowledge during interviews.  I read this article a few months back, has some good insight on grad school. <a href="http://www.openforum.com/articles/dont-hire-people-who-went-to-grad-school" rel="nofollow">http://www.openforum.com/articles/dont-hire-people-who-went-to-grad-school</a></p>
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		<title>By: Oscar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oscar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 18:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is obvious that you did not go to grad school. I can tell you right now that the #1 mistake in your analysis is that you are comparing the cost of a TOP 10 Business School with the average MBA salary. MBAs from top 10 schools are making an average of $110K, and not %60K. If you are going to compare with average salary, you might want to use average cost as well. You might want to go to grad school and learn how to do this kind of analysis in a more accurate way. Just saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is obvious that you did not go to grad school. I can tell you right now that the #1 mistake in your analysis is that you are comparing the cost of a TOP 10 Business School with the average MBA salary. MBAs from top 10 schools are making an average of $110K, and not %60K. If you are going to compare with average salary, you might want to use average cost as well. You might want to go to grad school and learn how to do this kind of analysis in a more accurate way. Just saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 21:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate that I am expected not to work for the summer months but must pay 2500 in tuition for a summer semester for a summer class. Im pissed, I hate grad studies right now, but in the long run, I will probably change my mind when I am not in the thick of things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate that I am expected not to work for the summer months but must pay 2500 in tuition for a summer semester for a summer class. Im pissed, I hate grad studies right now, but in the long run, I will probably change my mind when I am not in the thick of things.</p>
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		<title>By: Honey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree with that - think of it as, if they didn&#039;t promise to fund you for the entirety of your program, they didn&#039;t *really* admit you.  Every student in the PhD program I actually attended was funded, it&#039;s a bit different where I work now (though different fields, as well).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with that &#8211; think of it as, if they didn&#8217;t promise to fund you for the entirety of your program, they didn&#8217;t *really* admit you.  Every student in the PhD program I actually attended was funded, it&#8217;s a bit different where I work now (though different fields, as well).</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a large part of someone&#039;s decision to attend a program should be based on whether they can get financial aid. I chose my school because of its reputation and the aid given to graduate students. I know a lot of PhD programs are fully-funded, and I&#039;ll be looking at the ones that offer the best financial aid package when I&#039;m applying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a large part of someone&#8217;s decision to attend a program should be based on whether they can get financial aid. I chose my school because of its reputation and the aid given to graduate students. I know a lot of PhD programs are fully-funded, and I&#8217;ll be looking at the ones that offer the best financial aid package when I&#8217;m applying.</p>
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		<title>By: Honey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I manage 4 PhD programs and we have almost 90 people on the waiting list for assistantships, and you must be lucky enough to live in a VERY low cost of living area.  It definitely doesn&#039;t pay the bills here, and I don&#039;t live in a very expensive city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I manage 4 PhD programs and we have almost 90 people on the waiting list for assistantships, and you must be lucky enough to live in a VERY low cost of living area.  It definitely doesn&#8217;t pay the bills here, and I don&#8217;t live in a very expensive city.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any grad student can apply. I don&#039;t know of anyone who wanted an assistantship and didn&#039;t get one. It might not be the exact job they wanted, but it pays the bills the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any grad student can apply. I don&#8217;t know of anyone who wanted an assistantship and didn&#8217;t get one. It might not be the exact job they wanted, but it pays the bills the same.</p>
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